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violin: insert for peg holes-which way the grain should run?
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tho x. bui
2006-07-26 14:21:27 UTC
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I have a need to make the peg holes smaller. Obviously, I need to make
the tapered inserts and glue them in the current holes. The question
is, should I make sure that the grain runs the same as original, or can
I just use some maple dowels and have the grain runs in the
perpendicular to the wall of the peg box?

What is the standard practice?

Thanks.

Tho
Nick Odell
2006-07-26 20:58:15 UTC
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Post by tho x. bui
I have a need to make the peg holes smaller. Obviously, I need to make
the tapered inserts and glue them in the current holes. The question
is, should I make sure that the grain runs the same as original, or can
I just use some maple dowels and have the grain runs in the
perpendicular to the wall of the peg box?
What is the standard practice?
I can't tell you what's standard practice but I can tell you what I do. I bend a
strip of maple veneer into a tight spiral and glue it up into the peg hole using
a well-waxed undersize peg as an internal clamp. When it's dry I use my peg
reamer to ream it out to size. The peg turns nicely - it's long grain all the
way round - and if there's been a pegbox crack it takes the stress off that too.

Nick
Peter Schug
2006-07-27 00:03:08 UTC
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Post by tho x. bui
I have a need to make the peg holes smaller. Obviously, I need to make
the tapered inserts and glue them in the current holes. The question
is, should I make sure that the grain runs the same as original, or can
I just use some maple dowels and have the grain runs in the
perpendicular to the wall of the peg box?
What is the standard practice?
Thanks.
Tho
Hi Tho,

I've never done this, but there are some people who roll up a plane shaving
of maple (with glue of course) and use that.

I would guess you have to ream to clean wood in the peg box and wind the
plane shaving around a waxed violin peg.

I dont know how the rolling goes around a tapered peg, but maybe the shaving
is tapered also. Might pay to ask at Mims. I'm sure there are people there
familiar with the method.

As I said, I've never done it, but it's the best method I've heard of.

There are also people who use fiber inserts, made from fiber tubing. I don't
know the source, but it seems to be a common method

Another choice is boxwood plugs and then redrill and ream. That seems to be
the standard method from olden days.

Pete





Personally, I'd invest some time in the first method, even if I had to do a
couple of test runs off the fiddle.

Pete
alcarruth
2006-07-27 17:49:31 UTC
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The traditional boxwood bushings can be put in either with the grain
running along the bushing, as in a normal dowel, or with the grain
crosswise, which is much less common. If it's crosswise you make it go
across the grain of the pegbox, to resist splitting. In either case the
new peg hole must be drilled off center, so that the peg itself
overlaps the glue line and acts as a locking key to keep the bushing
from rotating in the hole. If you don't the only thing holding the
string tension is the glue line, and it won't hold for long.

The shaving method, usually called a 'spiral bushing', has become much
the prefered way of doing it these days, from what I can tell. It
entails the minimum of removal of original material from the peg box,
and you don't have to drill new peg holes off center. In many cases you
can clean out the original holes with a reamer and put in a bushing
that's practically invisible, it's so thin.

I like to wet the edge of a straight-grained maple board and then take
a shaving off it with a sharp plane. Wetting it keeps the cap iron from
breaking the wood grain and curling up the chip, so it's much stronger.
Make sure the strip is a good bit wider than the thickness of the
pegbox cheeks, as wraping it around a cone will cause it to
progressively migrate toward the thick end.

I've made a little plexiglass pin that the glue won't stick to with the
same taper as my reamer . I get some Titebond onto the shaving, wrap
it around the pin, and shove it into the hole ASAP. Once the glue has
set up I clean up the excess glue and wood, and ream the hole out to
fit the peg. Sometimes this can be a bit frustrating, as the shaving
sticks to your fingers and doesn't go where you want it to, but with
some practice it gets easier.

Some folks make tapers out of soft wood, or get cheap pearwood pegs,
wrap the shaving on dry, stick it in the hole and flood the area with
cyanoacylate. Then they just drill out the taper. This can be very
quick.

There doesn't seem to be much worry about the use of non-authentic
glues, such as Titebond or CA: the bushing is seen as disposable, and
since it's minimally invasive and easiliy replaced in any case nobody
much cares, so long as it works.

Alan Carruth / Luthier
tho x. bui
2006-08-01 14:29:49 UTC
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Thanks Al, and everybody. I decided to go with the spiral route, using
maple shaving and a tapered dowel as the throw-away core. Works great.

Tho
Post by alcarruth
The traditional boxwood bushings can be put in either with the grain
running along the bushing, as in a normal dowel, or with the grain
crosswise, which is much less common. If it's crosswise you make it go
across the grain of the pegbox, to resist splitting. .......[snip]
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